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		By: Ken Whipple		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Whipple]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.model-train-help.com/2016/10/can-i-run-dc-and-dcc-on-same-layout.html#comment-15828&quot;&gt;J.Oscar&lt;/a&gt;.

I am an American living in Brazil now.  Building a large HO layout in Araxa´ MG.  I am concerned that 1. Frateschi does not build or support DCC or N scale. 2. The Brazilian import tax prohibits buying DCC items from other countries. So, I was interested in your 2016 post that you were converting your DC locomotives to DCC.  Frateschi did not provide any information to me, when asked, about which models of decoders work with their different DC locomotives.

Could you please provide me some information on which DCC decoders you have used for which of your Frateschi locos?  Any response will be greatly appreciate.
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<p>I am an American living in Brazil now.  Building a large HO layout in Araxa´ MG.  I am concerned that 1. Frateschi does not build or support DCC or N scale. 2. The Brazilian import tax prohibits buying DCC items from other countries. So, I was interested in your 2016 post that you were converting your DC locomotives to DCC.  Frateschi did not provide any information to me, when asked, about which models of decoders work with their different DC locomotives.</p>
<p>Could you please provide me some information on which DCC decoders you have used for which of your Frateschi locos?  Any response will be greatly appreciate.<br />
Ken</p>
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		By: Charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although you&#039;ll still have to switch power at tracks manually, one solution is to have all locos non-dcc and set up a bank of say three or 4 dcc modules in parallel and switch them in manually adjacent to your power supply. You can set each dcc module with its own characteristics and use DCC controller to select a module based on what code you give each module. This way you can match which dcc module is used to power the track depending on the loco and train and have the advantage of transistor control. But this won&#039;t let locos be selected, you&#039;ll have  to do this by isolating track sections as normal with standard 12v supply. Or just get some decent transistor controllers and stay with non-dcc! I couldn&#039;t ever afford to put DCC modules (let alone the hassle!) in all my locos! Just a thought!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although you&#8217;ll still have to switch power at tracks manually, one solution is to have all locos non-dcc and set up a bank of say three or 4 dcc modules in parallel and switch them in manually adjacent to your power supply. You can set each dcc module with its own characteristics and use DCC controller to select a module based on what code you give each module. This way you can match which dcc module is used to power the track depending on the loco and train and have the advantage of transistor control. But this won&#8217;t let locos be selected, you&#8217;ll have  to do this by isolating track sections as normal with standard 12v supply. Or just get some decent transistor controllers and stay with non-dcc! I couldn&#8217;t ever afford to put DCC modules (let alone the hassle!) in all my locos! Just a thought!</p>
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		By: Newman Atkinson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Newman Atkinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.model-train-help.com/2016/10/can-i-run-dc-and-dcc-on-same-layout.html#comment-15851&quot;&gt;Graeme Coleman&lt;/a&gt;.

Graeme,
I wouldn&#039;t discount your older engines just yet.   It is a matter of getting the right Chip installed for that engine.     I have been installing chips in some of my older engines and they have been working well.    Yes if the engine does not perform well in Standard DC it won&#039;t be any better on DCC   You are right there.   I have gone through my engines and one at a time I have been converting them and in most cases cheaper than buying a ready to go DCC engine.   If your engine only has one truck that picks up power from the track it will likely stall on switches and power gaps.      The Bachmann Thomas engine for instance runs terrible in DC but performs well in DCC  It will get a chip.   In DCC I can make it creep along the tracks and you can actually see his eyes move unlike in DC his slow speed is fast and his eyes are a blurr.   He will get a chip when I find the right chip for it sor space and sound.
At the National train Show in Indy Bachmann and I ran each of our Thomas engines.   I have older ones   no sound   Bachmann has one that has DC sound.  But theirs was DC also and I think I can find a chip to make it just right in DCC.   I started out with a commercially installed DCC to get started,   I watched several installations and now I am doing them   Your old engines can do well if you give them a chance.    Newman]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.model-train-help.com/2016/10/can-i-run-dc-and-dcc-on-same-layout.html#comment-15851">Graeme Coleman</a>.</p>
<p>Graeme,<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t discount your older engines just yet.   It is a matter of getting the right Chip installed for that engine.     I have been installing chips in some of my older engines and they have been working well.    Yes if the engine does not perform well in Standard DC it won&#8217;t be any better on DCC   You are right there.   I have gone through my engines and one at a time I have been converting them and in most cases cheaper than buying a ready to go DCC engine.   If your engine only has one truck that picks up power from the track it will likely stall on switches and power gaps.      The Bachmann Thomas engine for instance runs terrible in DC but performs well in DCC  It will get a chip.   In DCC I can make it creep along the tracks and you can actually see his eyes move unlike in DC his slow speed is fast and his eyes are a blurr.   He will get a chip when I find the right chip for it sor space and sound.<br />
At the National train Show in Indy Bachmann and I ran each of our Thomas engines.   I have older ones   no sound   Bachmann has one that has DC sound.  But theirs was DC also and I think I can find a chip to make it just right in DCC.   I started out with a commercially installed DCC to get started,   I watched several installations and now I am doing them   Your old engines can do well if you give them a chance.    Newman</p>
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		By: Richard Cacciato		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Cacciato]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 02:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you use the Lenz DCC system (Lenz LZV100 control unit), you can run a DC locomotive on address 0000 along with DCC locomotives. I run my non decoder-equipped locomotives along with digital ones in this way. It&#039;s great and works well, and I highly recommend it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you use the Lenz DCC system (Lenz LZV100 control unit), you can run a DC locomotive on address 0000 along with DCC locomotives. I run my non decoder-equipped locomotives along with digital ones in this way. It&#8217;s great and works well, and I highly recommend it.</p>
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		By: Graeme Coleman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graeme Coleman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not recommended, and as they cannot be both run at the same time without the risk of letting the magic smoke escape from your DCC decoders. As you acquire new DCC locos you will wish less to use your old ones, response etc is different.  My suggestion is do as I have, I have a few independent industrial lines [coal mine - steel mill - etc;] totally separate from the main railroad that uses the best few of my DC locos running back and forth automatically building to building, the others were sold at swap meets and e-bay.  Those that did not sell were stripped of the motor, [can be used is scenery, a mill etc;] and the non-wired body shell with wheels disconnected electrically were then glued into a siding at the engine shed being repainted or other maintenance scenery.  A DC loco worth maybe $50- is not too much to invest in a nice detailed scene, never needing to move again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not recommended, and as they cannot be both run at the same time without the risk of letting the magic smoke escape from your DCC decoders. As you acquire new DCC locos you will wish less to use your old ones, response etc is different.  My suggestion is do as I have, I have a few independent industrial lines [coal mine &#8211; steel mill &#8211; etc;] totally separate from the main railroad that uses the best few of my DC locos running back and forth automatically building to building, the others were sold at swap meets and e-bay.  Those that did not sell were stripped of the motor, [can be used is scenery, a mill etc;] and the non-wired body shell with wheels disconnected electrically were then glued into a siding at the engine shed being repainted or other maintenance scenery.  A DC loco worth maybe $50- is not too much to invest in a nice detailed scene, never needing to move again.</p>
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		By: Mike Allo Cmoi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Allo Cmoi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Ricky, yes you can run both DC and DCC on the same tracks but not at the same time. 

                                                                                                         Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ricky, yes you can run both DC and DCC on the same tracks but not at the same time. </p>
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		By: Lloyd Barrios		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lloyd Barrios]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.model-train-help.com/2016/10/can-i-run-dc-and-dcc-on-same-layout.html#comment-15775&quot;&gt;David Kay&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with David, I model in &quot;N&quot; scale on a hollow core door due to limited space. My grandson runs his trains with DC and I run mine with DCC, but not at the same time. The attached photo is of my control cab.
Lloyd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.model-train-help.com/2016/10/can-i-run-dc-and-dcc-on-same-layout.html#comment-15775">David Kay</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with David, I model in &#8220;N&#8221; scale on a hollow core door due to limited space. My grandson runs his trains with DC and I run mine with DCC, but not at the same time. The attached photo is of my control cab.<br />
Lloyd.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 02:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.model-train-help.com/2016/10/can-i-run-dc-and-dcc-on-same-layout.html#comment-15775&quot;&gt;David Kay&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry all u need is a E-Z Command ® Digital Command Control System it can do it all u can control up to 9 DCC and one  DC I have use this all my time and I love it it works really good]]></description>
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<p>Sorry all u need is a E-Z Command ® Digital Command Control System it can do it all u can control up to 9 DCC and one  DC I have use this all my time and I love it it works really good</p>
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		By: J.Oscar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.Oscar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 01:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Ricky
I have built some lay-outs here in Brazil and all so far were built to operate in the DC system, but simply we exchange for a DCC controller and lay-outs will work normally.
At last I built, I used the feature described by David Kay, that is, I used a DPDT switch to select between DC and DCC controller.
For security reasons it is necessary to shut down a system before selecting the other, so that the voltage of a system is not present while the other, because I do not know if this can bring problem (possibly yes).
Without this concern, the key used need to shut down a system before connecting the other, so he suggests a key to &quot;zero central&quot; or &quot;off center&quot; DPDT &quot;.
Moreover, I can assure you there is no problem, your models DC may still run on the lay-out, until they are converted to DCC, which is also quite easy.
J.Oscar from Brazil]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ricky<br />
I have built some lay-outs here in Brazil and all so far were built to operate in the DC system, but simply we exchange for a DCC controller and lay-outs will work normally.<br />
At last I built, I used the feature described by David Kay, that is, I used a DPDT switch to select between DC and DCC controller.<br />
For security reasons it is necessary to shut down a system before selecting the other, so that the voltage of a system is not present while the other, because I do not know if this can bring problem (possibly yes).<br />
Without this concern, the key used need to shut down a system before connecting the other, so he suggests a key to &#8220;zero central&#8221; or &#8220;off center&#8221; DPDT &#8220;.<br />
Moreover, I can assure you there is no problem, your models DC may still run on the lay-out, until they are converted to DCC, which is also quite easy.<br />
J.Oscar from Brazil</p>
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		By: Newman Atkinson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Newman Atkinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ricki ,
    As everyone says you can run on DCC with a DC engine If it is a digitrax system. ( I don&#039;t know for sure about the other brands)    But I warn you not to do it for very long as I explained to skip below.   Using DC and Dcc on the same layout can get you in trouble if you get mixed up on which system is connected or switched to.    Someone may accidentally set the wrong engine on the other track if you know what I mean.      I have a portable layout that I can connect a standard DC or the DCC system to it  depending on which engines I run.   But all it takes is forgetting which system you are on and put the wrong engines on the tracks.You don&#039;t want 2 systems to switch between as it is easy to accidentally switch it to the wrong system.   Even if the tracks are separated from each other and running on a parallel track ,  a wrong engine on the wrong track spells future trouble.    My advice is not to intermingle DC and DCC on the same layout.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricki ,<br />
    As everyone says you can run on DCC with a DC engine If it is a digitrax system. ( I don&#8217;t know for sure about the other brands)    But I warn you not to do it for very long as I explained to skip below.   Using DC and Dcc on the same layout can get you in trouble if you get mixed up on which system is connected or switched to.    Someone may accidentally set the wrong engine on the other track if you know what I mean.      I have a portable layout that I can connect a standard DC or the DCC system to it  depending on which engines I run.   But all it takes is forgetting which system you are on and put the wrong engines on the tracks.You don&#8217;t want 2 systems to switch between as it is easy to accidentally switch it to the wrong system.   Even if the tracks are separated from each other and running on a parallel track ,  a wrong engine on the wrong track spells future trouble.    My advice is not to intermingle DC and DCC on the same layout.</p>
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		By: Newman Atkinson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Newman Atkinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 23:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.model-train-help.com/2016/10/can-i-run-dc-and-dcc-on-same-layout.html#comment-15789&quot;&gt;skip&lt;/a&gt;.

Skip
     You are correct that a DC engine can be run on a Digitrax system    But not advised for very long.     1.   DCC puts out a couple of volts more than standard DC does.    The Chip you install in your engine adjusts the voltage to your motor as needed by your imputs..    A Standard DC engine will respond to inputs for a zero zero code setting on the tracks.    But you have constant power on the rails So if you have the engine stopped the motor is getting full power from the power supply.   This then overheats the motor.     If you keep the engine moving it will not get to hot very fast.     The Zero Zero code is really only to be used to test a Standard DC engine and see how it responds if you would install a chip in the engine.   It is only a way to test the engine and not to run it constantly  and by all means do not leave it stopped on the tracks or you will smoke your engine.    The system actually tricks your DC engine to run on a zero zero code.    All Digitrax system owners I know agrees with a test run of an engine but not to overdue a test run either.     We recently did a test of a DC Brass Steam engine.   We set Zero-zero code and ran it around the layout twice but we did not leave it stopped at anytime and we also felt the engine many times to make sure it is not getting too hot.     I also have a KATO Amtrak engine that is DC.   Right on the box it says not to put it on DCC unless the chip is installed or the motors will burn out.   I am now installing this chip without a test run   Better safe than sorry.    It might be a warning that is to protect KATO MFG.  But I am not taking a chance,  I am installing the chip as we speak.
Newman Atkinson]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.model-train-help.com/2016/10/can-i-run-dc-and-dcc-on-same-layout.html#comment-15789">skip</a>.</p>
<p>Skip<br />
     You are correct that a DC engine can be run on a Digitrax system    But not advised for very long.     1.   DCC puts out a couple of volts more than standard DC does.    The Chip you install in your engine adjusts the voltage to your motor as needed by your imputs..    A Standard DC engine will respond to inputs for a zero zero code setting on the tracks.    But you have constant power on the rails So if you have the engine stopped the motor is getting full power from the power supply.   This then overheats the motor.     If you keep the engine moving it will not get to hot very fast.     The Zero Zero code is really only to be used to test a Standard DC engine and see how it responds if you would install a chip in the engine.   It is only a way to test the engine and not to run it constantly  and by all means do not leave it stopped on the tracks or you will smoke your engine.    The system actually tricks your DC engine to run on a zero zero code.    All Digitrax system owners I know agrees with a test run of an engine but not to overdue a test run either.     We recently did a test of a DC Brass Steam engine.   We set Zero-zero code and ran it around the layout twice but we did not leave it stopped at anytime and we also felt the engine many times to make sure it is not getting too hot.     I also have a KATO Amtrak engine that is DC.   Right on the box it says not to put it on DCC unless the chip is installed or the motors will burn out.   I am now installing this chip without a test run   Better safe than sorry.    It might be a warning that is to protect KATO MFG.  But I am not taking a chance,  I am installing the chip as we speak.<br />
Newman Atkinson</p>
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